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Should Creation Theory be Taught in Schools Alongside Evolution?
Just spotted this on Premire 10:
Creationism should be taught at schools
There are calls for creationism to be taught at schools.
Revd Prof Michael Reiss says teachers should be able to answer questions on it without ridiculing a child's beliefs while still explaining evolution and the Big Bang theory.
If for instance in an Islamic faith school, it was taught that Mohamed was a fictional character that had never existed (as may happen if the government get their way to standardise the content of curricula) do you think that Moslem parents would take it laying down?
Why then do we insist that evolution is taught as fact, which effectively says that God does not exist. Should then, parents who are Christians have a say in what subjects, that affect the child’s faith, their child should be taught or in what way they are taught (e.g. that evolution is just a theory).
Creationism should be taught at schools
There are calls for creationism to be taught at schools.
Revd Prof Michael Reiss says teachers should be able to answer questions on it without ridiculing a child's beliefs while still explaining evolution and the Big Bang theory.
If for instance in an Islamic faith school, it was taught that Mohamed was a fictional character that had never existed (as may happen if the government get their way to standardise the content of curricula) do you think that Moslem parents would take it laying down?
Why then do we insist that evolution is taught as fact, which effectively says that God does not exist. Should then, parents who are Christians have a say in what subjects, that affect the child’s faith, their child should be taught or in what way they are taught (e.g. that evolution is just a theory).
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Permalink Reply by Peter Henderson on -
Indeed Michael.
As I have so often said in the past, an ethusiastic geology teacher by the name of Herbie Black really did influence my thinking on the subject. If you ever meet any NI geolgists, mention his name and you'll hear all sorts of stories, believe me Michael. Learning about plate tectonics at a relatively young age (early teens) I would have found their (the YECs) current rapid expansion (hydroplate theory ????) nonsense. Am I correct in thinking that the YECs claim the continents moved apart on water ??? at a rate of thousands of miles a second. I'm sure I heard Grady McMurtry say this recently on Revelation TV. Complete and utter nonsense with absolutely no supporting evidence.
I would probably have ended up as a church going agnostic. Thankfully I did not encounter YECs until the mid 1990's
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Permalink Reply by Thorny on -
So Peter, please explain the direct link between your being exposed to mainstream geology and your decision to become a Christian.
" If you think Genesis is literal history I would urge you to go and do a geology course Thorny (the OU is a good place to start). Or perhaps you are afraid of science in case of what you might find. I have also sucessfully passed a degree level astronomy course (S283). Again, the evidence for an old Earth and an even older Universe is overwhelming. "
Why would you urge me to do that? it seems to be important to you that we refuse to believe in a young universe according to a plain reading of Genesis. Why is it so important?
You keep saying 'the evidence is...' but that won't cut it. What is it about astronomy that is so overwhelming?
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Permalink Reply by Michael on -
Thorny
you wrote; .As an aside, you talk about accepting Jesus into your life, which sounds as if your relaxing in an armchair and bid your servant to let Jesus in for a visit. Could you please clarify who is the servant and who is the master ?
That is a silly comment as you know well that many evangelicals of a non-reformed persuasion put conversion like this. I would not but I am able to understand what they are saying without descending to the arrogant silliness you have done here.
Perhaps unlike you I mix with Christians of all persuasions and have learnt to understand what they say when they describe their faith in Christ even when I dont like the verbal expression.
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Permalink Reply by Ploughboy on -
Michael
Actually when a person talks about 'accepting Jesus' it betrays a misunderstanding of salvation which can be such that it provides evidence that the person is not saved. Under such a circumstance it is important for that persons sake to ensure that they are, in fact saved.
Martin
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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Frankly I appalled by this comment. It beats everything else you say as you seem to rubbish everyone who is Pentecostal, Arminian, Holiness, All Anglicans RCs Orthodox Copts and every other Christian except your self.
Do youquestion that almost everyone on this forum is saved?
Yuk
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Permalink Reply by Ploughboy on
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Michael
We should all question our salvation, testing ourselves to ascertain whether we are saved. That is a healthy, spiritual state. If we have an inadequate view of salvation we should be especially careful to ensure we are saved.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? ——unless indeed you are disqualified.
Do you not know this, as a preacher of the Gospel? Indeed, what is the Gospel. Is it the pure unfettered saving of dead sinners by a merciful God or the struggling of men to keep God's commands?
Martin
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Permalink Reply by Peter Henderson on
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Sorry Martin but correct me if I am wrong. I assume you are in fact calling into question my salvation and whether or not I am in fact a "proper Christian" at all (since I used the phrase ?) I think such remarks are uncalled for. Perhaps the moderators of this forum might like to comment since, as far as I can remember, I (and everyone else here) agreed to a code of conduct.
Still, it doesn't surprise me. It's the sort of behaviour I've come to expect from most (though not all) YECs.
The hostility of some (who call themselves "born again") to others with different views on what is a part of scripture which is essentially irrelevant to salvation is quite ubelievable.
It saddens me to say this, but I've had far more respect from Atheists
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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I find those who question the salvation of a fellow Christian most despicable.
Sadly it is a characterisitc of some ultra-evangelicals and is why so many reject the Gospel.
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Permalink Reply by Ploughboy on
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Peter
Why are you offended? Have you done anything to deserve God's mercy? Is there anything in you that deserves anything other than judgement? The Gospel is God's gift, not, as the phrase you used implies, your acceptance of God. Do you not call yourself 'born again' since Jesus Himself used that very phrase in relation to Salvation? Would you expect me to stand by and allow you to think that you are a Christian when you are not? Would it not be both unkind and disrespectful to allow you to continue in such a state?
Above I've pointed out to Michael that we should all examine ourselves to ensure we are saved, I do it, do you?
Martin
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Permalink Reply by Peter Henderson on
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What is it about astronomy that is so overwhelming?
Distances to astronomical objects:
http://universe-review.ca/R02-07-candle.htm
In effect we are looking back in time. Since the Andromeda galaxy is a naked eye object and 2.3 million light years distant i.e.we are seeing it as it was 2.3 million years ago that alone shows the Earth/Universe isn't 6-10,000 years old.
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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Peter
You forgot one thing. Everything was created with appearance of time, as one Anglican vicar told me a few years ago.
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